Posts by jean-luc picard

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European Court to favor the WT and condemns the French goverment

by Nick! in

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this news was announced today on the journal "le monde": http://www.lemonde.fr/societe/article/2011/06/30/temoins-de-jehovah-la-cour-europeenne-des-droits-de-l-homme-condamne-la-france_1543102_3224.html#xtor=rss-3208.

unfortunately, the european court of human rights has just condemned the french government against jehovahs witnesses.

if you recall, the french state was claiming 23 million euro (abt 33 million us dollars) taxes on contributions received by the french watchtower during the years 1993-96, which, by now, had climbed to about 58 million euro (abt 83 million us dollars) counting interests and charges.. it is not easy to size the wt.

jean-luc picard

The French government,has taken upon itself, to warn people of the dangers of sectes/cults.

They direct people to relevent literature exposing dangers.

There are works cited from ex jehovahs witnesses, some of which have been pursued in justice by the WT$, until now without success, I believe.

Here is the link to the list of possibly "dangerous" sectes, in the view of the government:

http://www.info-sectes.org/masques/sectes.htm

and the page ( in French) on the beliefs of Jehovahs witnesses.

http://www.info-sectes.org/tj/index.htm

There is a link explaining, rather well, the psychology used by the JWs and how to combat it.

This is considered, by French people, rather like the warnings on a packet of cigarettes.

Afterwards, you smoke if you want to. Its up to you. But at least you have been warned.

The sects do not like this information, and take legal action, crying abuse of freedom etc.

Its a normal reaction.But as ex-jws, we would agree that the information given is indeed correct.

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Did the Watchtower almost just go bust?

by TimothyT in

taken from the watchtower media website today:.

maybe im reading this wrong!!!.

http://www.jw-media.org/fra/20110630.htm.

jean-luc picard

According to the French newspaper Le Figaro, the tax office wants to tax, at a rate of 60%, the recepts of the WT$ between 1993 and 1996.

60% was the higher rate income tax rate at that time, and 60% cannot possibly = more than the total assets, because it is only 60% of income.

60% today is a high rate, but was the rate that others paid at that time.

The tax office considers the WT$ as a business, and wants to tax them accordingly.

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European Court to favor the WT and condemns the French goverment

by Nick! in

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friends

this news was announced today on the journal "le monde": http://www.lemonde.fr/societe/article/2011/06/30/temoins-de-jehovah-la-cour-europeenne-des-droits-de-l-homme-condamne-la-france_1543102_3224.html#xtor=rss-3208.

unfortunately, the european court of human rights has just condemned the french government against jehovahs witnesses.

if you recall, the french state was claiming 23 million euro (abt 33 million us dollars) taxes on contributions received by the french watchtower during the years 1993-96, which, by now, had climbed to about 58 million euro (abt 83 million us dollars) counting interests and charges.. it is not easy to size the wt.

jean-luc picard

The French government, dispite critism, often shows itself to be very lucid.

For example, they have been refusing aumonary visits to JWs, something that they ( WT$) have been contesting in the courts.

However, a spokeman for the prison authoritys stated:

Prisoners are often emotionally in a weak state. But these are the very type of people that Jehovahs Witnesses prey on. That is why we do not grant aumonary visits to the WT$

We KNOW that that is true. However, the French government risks losing its case, because of the "religious freedom" clause.

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Operation if You're Behind Enemy Lines and one if you're not...

by Tuesday in

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hey folks,.

so on youtube propagandatechniques came up with a rather cool little idea i think in regards to those who feel trapped inside the organization.

it's a simple mission, write a letter saying that you are trapped inside and will be labeled an apostate and shunned by your family and friends, then place it in the publications that you're placing at the door.. http://youtu.be/vt6hyt66z6k.

jean-luc picard

Hi Tuesday.

There's a phrase in the video that I'd never picked up on before:

"Use Theocratic Warfare" = LIE

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A Shunning Story

by leavingwt in

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friends

this is a shunning story that was recently conveyed to me by email.

i have changed the names/dates to protect the privacy of the individuals.

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jean-luc picard

Thank you. I'm sure all our hearts go out to her.

jlp

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Jehovah's Witnesses in "Generation of 1914" doctrinal Crisis: Will the JW transform from Cult to Church in the post-2014 era?

by koolaid-man in

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interesting, jwn mentioned in article.. http://www.goddiscussion.com/68647/jehovahs-witnesses-in-generation-of-1914-doctrinal-crisis-will-the-jw-transform-from-cult-to-church-in-the-post-2014-era/#comments.

jean-luc picard

Thanks for the post.

I copy/pasted this citation:

The governing body of the Jehovah' Witnesses explains its new "overlapping generations" teaching in a study edition of the Watchtower Magazine, April 15th, 2010 (pg. 27-29), as follows:

Although we cannot measure the exact length of “this generation,” we do well to keep in mind several things about the word “generation”: It usually refers to people of varying ages whose lives overlap during a particular time period; it is not excessively long; and it has an end. (Ex. 1:6) How, then, are we to understand Jesus’ words about “this generation”? He evidently meant that the lives of the anointed who were on hand when the sign began to become evident in 1914 would overlap with the lives of other anointed ones who would see the start of the great tribulation.

Notice the matter of fact way they state things, without any proof,backing or reasoning.

A few years ago, he evidently meant something else.

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Danish article about shunning. Very interesting.

by worried in

i just found a danish article in "jyllands posten" (yea, the ones who printed drawings of muhammed once).

i hope that my translation is ok, otherwise, please tell me if there is somewhere you dont understand it.. .

jehovahs witnesses to be investigatedmembers are encouraged by the leaders, to cease contact with those leaving the society.. .

jean-luc picard

Thanks for the post.

a lot of the members end up married to each other, and a lot being related to each other. That is why it has tremendous consequenses for the individual, who chooses to leave the society. You cant just leave Jehovah's witnesses and join the danish church or another religion. You will be shunned, and your friends, acquaintances and family

I had never thought of that aspect.

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